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Mohrhoff replies to Erich Joos

Dear Prof. Joos,

Here is my response to your posting of 14 March.

>Facts - in the way experimentalists report them - are certainly= part of the physical world.

In Zeh's theory there is the "real" reality represented by the= wave function, and then there is the shadow-like reality of= facts. Is the latter a part of the physical world?

>The task of theory is to invent a consistent model.

But thinking of correlations between shadow-like facts as= constituting the "real" reality is inconsistent.

>Then, what is the difference between a single atom (which= nowadays I can "see") and the
>tree I see in my garden? I never found one.

I suppose everyone agrees on the difference between seeing an= atom and seeing a tree. After all, this is why you put quotes= around "see". Seeing a thing means seeing its form. (Seeing an= elephant doesn't mean seeing a trail in the jungle, and seeing= an electron doesn't mean seeing a track in a cloud chamber.) The= form of a thing consists of the forms of its parts and of the= spatial relations between them. Take the form of a hydrogen atom= in its ground state. If we ignore the forms of the proton and= the electron, there remains the atom's one internal relative= position. It's a spherically symmetric "cloud". Its density,= integrated over any region R, gives the probability with which= that position would be found in R if the corresponding test were= made. If the test is actually made, the "1s-cloud" no longer= represents the atom's internal relative position. Thus the= "1s-cloud" represents the atom's ground state only if the test= is not made, yet it represents it in terms of probability= assignments that assume, counterfactually, that the test is= made. The upshot: Making counterfactual probability assignments= is the proper way to quantify the fuzziness that fluffs out= matter, including trees.

>The (conceptual) wall between what is commonly called= "microscopic" vs. "macroscopic"
>is demolished more and more every day by clever= experimentalists.

Surely, and most excitingly. But this doesn't remove quantum= fuzziness or its conceptualization in terms of probability= assignments to counterfactual property-indicating events. Nor= does it remove the difference between events and correlations= (joint probability assignments to possible events), or the= difference between actuality and possibility.

>Classical concepts proved wrong long ago; hence consistency= requires that we use
>quantum (kinematical) concepts...

Of course. According to classical kinematics every particle= follows a precise trajectory, which is wrong, while quantum= kinematical concepts - probability assignments to possible= events made on the basis of actual events - are appropriate for= dealing with the fuzziness of the quantum world.

>...as building block of our world model. After all, we
>believe that macro-objects are made of atoms, don't we?

Saying that quantum kinematical concepts are building blocks of= our world model is not quite the same as saying that= macro-objects are made of atoms. But of course, counterfactual= probability assignments are "building blocks" of any theory that= adequately addresses the fuzziness in our world. Nor does the= conceptualization of fuzziness through probability assignments= to possible events contradict the classical, common-sense notion= that macro-objects are made of atoms.

>Needless to say, there is a strong psychological barrier to= overcome. In earlier times it
>was perhaps as difficult to accept that the earth is not flat= (despite appearance), as it is
>nowadays to accept a description of the world in terms of wave= functions. But wishful
>thinking does not help.

I fully agree.

>Talking about particles which go thru two slots at once is a= contradiction in terms.

You are right when you take "the particle went through both= slits" as a conjunction of two propositions ("the particle went= through L and the particle went through R"). In the quantum= world no property is a possessed property unless its possession= is indicated by an actual event or state of affairs. That= conjunction would be true only if the particle's passage through= L and its passage through R were both indicated. This is never= the case. By the same token, if nothing indicates the slit taken= by a particle but something indicates that the particle went= through L&R - the regions defined by the slits considered as one= - then the proposition "the particle went through L&R" is true,= while the propositions "the particle went through L" and "the= particle went through L" lack truth values - they are neither= true nor false. Note that "the particle went through L&R" is a= single proposition with a single truth value, rather than a= conjunction of two propositions with separate truth values.

But as you say, "there is a strong psychological barrier to= overcome" - one whose neurobiological underpinnings I have= discussed [1,2]. We tend to think of space as an intrinsically= and maximally differentiated expanse. The spatial aspect of the= quantum world is something else altogether. The spatial (as well= as substantial) distinctions we make in our minds correspond to= something in the real world only if, and only to the extend= that, they are warranted by facts. Whenever it is correct to sum= over amplitudes, the distinctions we make between the= corresponding alternatives are distinctions that nature does not= make.

>In the absence of new hints from experiments, the quest for= conceptual consistency may
>be the best lead we have.

Surely.

Sincere regards,

Ulrich Mohrhoff

[1] U. Mohrhoff, Quantum mechanics and the cookie cutter= paradigm, quant-ph/0009001. [2] U. Mohrhoff, Making sense of a world of clicks,= quant-ph/0202148.

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